Judges give light sentences based on being a "good christian", even when they have committed heinous vile crimes. The cover they give sickos in all realms is insane.
It is unfortunately an American value, deeply embedded, to not care about something until it impacts you personally. It is one of the fundamental broken values that got us here.
If they start cutting us off from communication with each other then I am going to truly lose it. Right now I have to rely on my virtual community so much to get through the day because where I live in Indiana is truly ultra MAGA.
Men get ALL the forgiveness. They say they’re sorry. They promise not to do it again. They cry. They blame the woman. And 99% of the time, they get a pass.
Not surprising. Ken Paxton has definitely gotten all the forgiveness here in TX, although I’m not aware of any public admission of guilt on his part. Because his impeachment was a farce paid-for by taxpayers, the precedent is not promising. But I wonder if for some less-popular CN divorcee it could be an Achilles heel…?
Right. Jessica Valenti is actually asking anyone who may have been impregnated by him to come forward. I'm sure he took care of that with NDAs, but it doesn't hurt to try to coax someone to tell her story. It would be rich to find out that he paid for a mistress' abortion.
Egad. Al least Catholics allow a person to apply for an annulment after they file for a legal divorce. Annulments take a lengthy amount of time, but an out is given if the marriage is abusive that allows a person to marry in the Catholic Church again if he or she chooses to. My uncle has been divorced twice (both his wives were abusive and has been living with his ladyfriend for 3 decades. He still attends Mass on Sunday and accepts Communion.
Do the Opus Dei adherents allow annulments? They’re the primary driver of Catholic Christian Nationalism. (Veep saying women should stay in abusive marriages comes from this cult.)
I will say without question that I would be dead today if my former Baptist (not WCN) pastor had not encouraged me to divorce. Plenty of Christian churches, both Catholic and Protestant, recognize the need for divorce.
We can divorce in the Catholic Church. Annulments are sought if either party wants to remarry in the Church. If person doesn’t have annulment, a person can remarry, but that person is not allowed to remarry in the Catholic Church because it views the person as still married to their first spouse.
Megyn Kelly is now blathering on about how long her annulment is taking. She married her second husband without an annulment and years later she has finally applied for one. Annulments take time. It’s not one and done like a Vegas and Reno divorce.
When I dated a devout Catholic, he wanted me to get an annulment for my first marriage so that we could marry in the church. We talked to the priest about it, but I already didn't care about having a big church wedding and never pursued it. We subsequently broke up, so I'm glad I didn't waste my time and his money.
I get that sexually morality = adultery but what does this word salad mean? If you divorce with no adultery involved then the wife is considered an adulterer??
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery". Matthew 5:31-32 KJV
In Christian Nationalist churches, this wording is one of the key reasons why women are often blamed and shamed for divorce. This translation makes the woman sound like she is always at fault, which is one reason why WCNs love this version so much. They can barely read it, but their pastors LOOOOOOOOVE to tell them passages like this mean women are always to blame for everything.
In other translations of this verse, Jesus basically says simply giving your wife a certificate of divorce when there is no adultery involved means neither one of you are divorced. You are making her commit adultery if she marries again, because she is not considered to be divorced (and neither are you.) Whoever marries her is also committing adultery, because in the eyes of God, she is still married to you. In these translations, the woman is the victim of fraud in a sense. But the good ole KJV makes it sound like the woman is always to blame for everything.
To be clear, many Christian Nationalist churches teach that their members cannot obtain a divorce unless one spouse commits adultery. And if the husband commits adultery, many of these pastors will do everything they can to convince the wife to forgive him and stay.
We talked about this in my family Bible study - Evangelicals and me ( NDE). If you think of the Bible as “Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth” instead of slaving over EVERY word, it’s easier to understand. Think of the time historically. It was completely male controlled. Who is responsible for the adultery? The original husband. He divorced the wife. HE caused the end of the marriage. Who is responsible in the eyes of the Almighty? This was Jesus talking not a human man. Jesus was the One Who Said “He who is without sin can cast the first stone”
Humans, especially men have twisted themselves into knots passing judgment on things of God. That’s Not Want Jesus Christ instructed.
Christian Nationalist’s are today’s Pharisees - the ones who didn’t understand the message.
Here's a good one for you, Andra: This past Sunday at the Catholic Mass I like to attend with my wife, our homophobic, racist deacon was giving the homily/sermon instead of the visiting Pilipino priest who had to witness the deacon's interpretation of the gospel. It turns out that we've been hearing the wrong message in "The Good Samaritan" story. Even though we have hospitals and other such institutions of charity named after the Samaritan, the real issue that we should be focusing on is the Victim, lol -- that being how Christians are being victimized and persecuted by the degradations of our awful society. Gawd, that Jesus was a shitty story-teller, no? LOL.
These people are the precise ones Jesus loudly condemned. It would be great if every parishioner who was offended by his display told him so. These people tend to back down or leave when pushed back on.
His victimization portrayal was more subtle and less in-your-face than I presented here. He presents as just a gentle and thoughtful old, whiny white guy. I just find it interesting how your explanations of CN filter into every denomination and aspect of organized Christianity. But, I would guess that this poor bastard is just a 24/7 victim of Faux News, and the general message from the repugs that "we are the real victims, here."
This is another sickening thing we can look forward to under this sick, twisted regime of deviants. Women need to be thinking of how unsafe the US is for them. Look at Iran. Look at Saudi Arabia. The US is already low on freedom of speech. I am currently in Germany which just squeezed in at #10. The US is something like #59. Quite a difference.
Ironically, I was reading that in Estonia, which is forward thinking in so many ways, people can now get divorced online and it takes a minute to process.
Also wanted to mention that the EU is planning to develop their own platforms where they can have more control over disinformation and platforms upholding the rules of Digital Information Act of the EU. This is important, because it will offer a place to go and perhaps provide competition for the tech billionaires who are increasingly platforming right wing extremists.
Americans need to look at how to deplatform from the US. In fact, like in other authoritarian places, one could lead 2 digital lives. The one that the US has access to, and another, perhaps more authentic one where the US cannot access it unless one is committing crimes that are documented on there.
I have told American women I know to leave, especially if they can be pregnant. But my boyfriend But my husband but my job but my student loans but my house but my kids but my parents. I think things will have to get much worse before people understand those things aren’t worth staying for. And I get that some cannot leave no matter what.
I hope the EU will make this happen. The world desperately needs an antidote to digital fascism. Especially since Substack is going in that direction now whether they admit it or not.
I am with you on women being unsafe in the US, particularly not white, or trans, or of child bearing years, or of an age to still need vaccines, and they should be leaving Red States for sure and the US too. Canada is an idyl compared to the US at this point. Not everyone can go there, but everyone can find another place to go. For people who are retired and don't want to leave their families, they can be leading them because they can set up elsewhere and provide them with a place that they can "escape" to.
Alexandra Geese who is a MEP on technology, and a member of the German Green party started discussing it on this talk this week on Europe Calling, titled "Powerless against disinformation? – How disinformation harms democracies & how they can fight back"
It is in a mix of German and English, but they have links when one watches them can choose German or English. I think the speakers were speaking English because one of them is American. They will have an all English version soon.
All here should be aware that, as the Regime's censorship becomes ever more omnipotent, there are three distinct indications: material that simply vanishes; material that for some allegedly technological reason is no longer accessible; and -- increasingly common with Substack texts -- items that are (maliciously) mis-directed into "promotions."
I will have a lot to say about this in the next couple of weeks. For now, I'm gathering data behind the scenes. And this won't merely impact Substack. I keep hammering certain email platforms because they can very easily prevent delivery of whatever emails are deemed to be "promotional" or "inappropriate" or "not regime friendly."
A lot of what's vanished are Russian films that unflinchingly reveal the sadistic savagery of the MAGATs' Third Reich forebears. Far too few of us know the huge debt we owe the approximately 42 million* Soviet soldiers and civilians whose deaths extended the life of our democracy by 83 years (1941-2524).
Any religion that tries to convince one to stay in an abusive marriage doesn’t give a damn about one’s safety or mental health. Give up your get out of hell free card and meet with a lawyer asap.
Judges give light sentences based on being a "good christian", even when they have committed heinous vile crimes. The cover they give sickos in all realms is insane.
Oh, they give the same passes to white boys and white men, Christian or not. They get ALLLLLLLLL the passes.
This is turning into a version of the Handmaids Tale before our very eyes. I truly hope Americans fight back in unity.
I think the bulk of Americans are oblivious. They still think this won’t impact them because they aren’t in a targeted group.
Yeah a lot of people just trust the system to work and it doesn’t anymore
It is unfortunately an American value, deeply embedded, to not care about something until it impacts you personally. It is one of the fundamental broken values that got us here.
If they start cutting us off from communication with each other then I am going to truly lose it. Right now I have to rely on my virtual community so much to get through the day because where I live in Indiana is truly ultra MAGA.
Stay tuned to this space. A group of us are thinking about this.
In Christian nationalism, does the stain of divorce ever stick to the men? And if so, can it be leveraged against them politically?
Men get ALL the forgiveness. They say they’re sorry. They promise not to do it again. They cry. They blame the woman. And 99% of the time, they get a pass.
Not surprising. Ken Paxton has definitely gotten all the forgiveness here in TX, although I’m not aware of any public admission of guilt on his part. Because his impeachment was a farce paid-for by taxpayers, the precedent is not promising. But I wonder if for some less-popular CN divorcee it could be an Achilles heel…?
Right. Jessica Valenti is actually asking anyone who may have been impregnated by him to come forward. I'm sure he took care of that with NDAs, but it doesn't hurt to try to coax someone to tell her story. It would be rich to find out that he paid for a mistress' abortion.
Egad. Al least Catholics allow a person to apply for an annulment after they file for a legal divorce. Annulments take a lengthy amount of time, but an out is given if the marriage is abusive that allows a person to marry in the Catholic Church again if he or she chooses to. My uncle has been divorced twice (both his wives were abusive and has been living with his ladyfriend for 3 decades. He still attends Mass on Sunday and accepts Communion.
Do the Opus Dei adherents allow annulments? They’re the primary driver of Catholic Christian Nationalism. (Veep saying women should stay in abusive marriages comes from this cult.)
I will say without question that I would be dead today if my former Baptist (not WCN) pastor had not encouraged me to divorce. Plenty of Christian churches, both Catholic and Protestant, recognize the need for divorce.
I don’t believe so. Opus Dei is a cult and nuts.
We can divorce in the Catholic Church. Annulments are sought if either party wants to remarry in the Church. If person doesn’t have annulment, a person can remarry, but that person is not allowed to remarry in the Catholic Church because it views the person as still married to their first spouse.
Megyn Kelly is now blathering on about how long her annulment is taking. She married her second husband without an annulment and years later she has finally applied for one. Annulments take time. It’s not one and done like a Vegas and Reno divorce.
When I dated a devout Catholic, he wanted me to get an annulment for my first marriage so that we could marry in the church. We talked to the priest about it, but I already didn't care about having a big church wedding and never pursued it. We subsequently broke up, so I'm glad I didn't waste my time and his money.
Yes and I'm bothering the heck out of the AI chatbot with demands to speak to a specialist...
I get that sexually morality = adultery but what does this word salad mean? If you divorce with no adultery involved then the wife is considered an adulterer??
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery". Matthew 5:31-32 KJV
In Christian Nationalist churches, this wording is one of the key reasons why women are often blamed and shamed for divorce. This translation makes the woman sound like she is always at fault, which is one reason why WCNs love this version so much. They can barely read it, but their pastors LOOOOOOOOVE to tell them passages like this mean women are always to blame for everything.
In other translations of this verse, Jesus basically says simply giving your wife a certificate of divorce when there is no adultery involved means neither one of you are divorced. You are making her commit adultery if she marries again, because she is not considered to be divorced (and neither are you.) Whoever marries her is also committing adultery, because in the eyes of God, she is still married to you. In these translations, the woman is the victim of fraud in a sense. But the good ole KJV makes it sound like the woman is always to blame for everything.
To be clear, many Christian Nationalist churches teach that their members cannot obtain a divorce unless one spouse commits adultery. And if the husband commits adultery, many of these pastors will do everything they can to convince the wife to forgive him and stay.
We talked about this in my family Bible study - Evangelicals and me ( NDE). If you think of the Bible as “Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth” instead of slaving over EVERY word, it’s easier to understand. Think of the time historically. It was completely male controlled. Who is responsible for the adultery? The original husband. He divorced the wife. HE caused the end of the marriage. Who is responsible in the eyes of the Almighty? This was Jesus talking not a human man. Jesus was the One Who Said “He who is without sin can cast the first stone”
Humans, especially men have twisted themselves into knots passing judgment on things of God. That’s Not Want Jesus Christ instructed.
Christian Nationalist’s are today’s Pharisees - the ones who didn’t understand the message.
They are the Pharisees, the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Yes.
Here's a good one for you, Andra: This past Sunday at the Catholic Mass I like to attend with my wife, our homophobic, racist deacon was giving the homily/sermon instead of the visiting Pilipino priest who had to witness the deacon's interpretation of the gospel. It turns out that we've been hearing the wrong message in "The Good Samaritan" story. Even though we have hospitals and other such institutions of charity named after the Samaritan, the real issue that we should be focusing on is the Victim, lol -- that being how Christians are being victimized and persecuted by the degradations of our awful society. Gawd, that Jesus was a shitty story-teller, no? LOL.
These people are the precise ones Jesus loudly condemned. It would be great if every parishioner who was offended by his display told him so. These people tend to back down or leave when pushed back on.
His victimization portrayal was more subtle and less in-your-face than I presented here. He presents as just a gentle and thoughtful old, whiny white guy. I just find it interesting how your explanations of CN filter into every denomination and aspect of organized Christianity. But, I would guess that this poor bastard is just a 24/7 victim of Faux News, and the general message from the repugs that "we are the real victims, here."
This is another sickening thing we can look forward to under this sick, twisted regime of deviants. Women need to be thinking of how unsafe the US is for them. Look at Iran. Look at Saudi Arabia. The US is already low on freedom of speech. I am currently in Germany which just squeezed in at #10. The US is something like #59. Quite a difference.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-freedom-of-speech
Ironically, I was reading that in Estonia, which is forward thinking in so many ways, people can now get divorced online and it takes a minute to process.
https://www.dw.com/en/how-estonia-outpaced-the-rest-of-europe-at-digitalization/a-73098771?maca=en-newsletter_en_bulletin-2097-xml-newsletter&at_medium=Newsletter&at_campaign=EN%20-%20Daily%20Bulletin&at_dw_language=en&at_number=20250718&r=67371532046962632&lid=3530432&pm_ln=303253
Also wanted to mention that the EU is planning to develop their own platforms where they can have more control over disinformation and platforms upholding the rules of Digital Information Act of the EU. This is important, because it will offer a place to go and perhaps provide competition for the tech billionaires who are increasingly platforming right wing extremists.
Americans need to look at how to deplatform from the US. In fact, like in other authoritarian places, one could lead 2 digital lives. The one that the US has access to, and another, perhaps more authentic one where the US cannot access it unless one is committing crimes that are documented on there.
I have told American women I know to leave, especially if they can be pregnant. But my boyfriend But my husband but my job but my student loans but my house but my kids but my parents. I think things will have to get much worse before people understand those things aren’t worth staying for. And I get that some cannot leave no matter what.
I hope the EU will make this happen. The world desperately needs an antidote to digital fascism. Especially since Substack is going in that direction now whether they admit it or not.
I am with you on women being unsafe in the US, particularly not white, or trans, or of child bearing years, or of an age to still need vaccines, and they should be leaving Red States for sure and the US too. Canada is an idyl compared to the US at this point. Not everyone can go there, but everyone can find another place to go. For people who are retired and don't want to leave their families, they can be leading them because they can set up elsewhere and provide them with a place that they can "escape" to.
Alexandra Geese who is a MEP on technology, and a member of the German Green party started discussing it on this talk this week on Europe Calling, titled "Powerless against disinformation? – How disinformation harms democracies & how they can fight back"
https://www.youtube.com/live/BAVvhP0FuV4?si=UsI-l849iDePUPfJ
It is in a mix of German and English, but they have links when one watches them can choose German or English. I think the speakers were speaking English because one of them is American. They will have an all English version soon.
Oopssorry I should have posted this direct
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Don't worry about it. Maybe all these comments will juice the algorithm to include me in your newsfeed. Ha.
That's the plan!!
Hi andra, just letting you know this is not appearing on my home page feed
But you are getting emails, right? I'm going to ask Substack about this.
All here should be aware that, as the Regime's censorship becomes ever more omnipotent, there are three distinct indications: material that simply vanishes; material that for some allegedly technological reason is no longer accessible; and -- increasingly common with Substack texts -- items that are (maliciously) mis-directed into "promotions."
I will have a lot to say about this in the next couple of weeks. For now, I'm gathering data behind the scenes. And this won't merely impact Substack. I keep hammering certain email platforms because they can very easily prevent delivery of whatever emails are deemed to be "promotional" or "inappropriate" or "not regime friendly."
A lot of what's vanished are Russian films that unflinchingly reveal the sadistic savagery of the MAGATs' Third Reich forebears. Far too few of us know the huge debt we owe the approximately 42 million* Soviet soldiers and civilians whose deaths extended the life of our democracy by 83 years (1941-2524).
_________
*Newest data, the number confirmed by archaeological and sociological research. (See https://intmassmedia.com/2017/05/11/message-to-putin-from-42-million-dead/ , also https://historyireland.com/stalins-victory-the-soviet-union-and-world-war-ii/)
Any religion that tries to convince one to stay in an abusive marriage doesn’t give a damn about one’s safety or mental health. Give up your get out of hell free card and meet with a lawyer asap.